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“Ron: the restriction of the sample area for carbon dating to one corner was unfortunate – but would you really want to see the Shroud disfigured by multiple sampling sites?” “Restoration” damaged the shroud more than the 1986 sampling… R. Roger cleverly suggested to date the shroud based on the material burnt and vacuum cleaned during the “restoration”.

That said, I don’t think C14 datation is a priority..

2012-06-113:58 am

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1 “In the paper “Correlation of Image Intensity on the Turin Shroud with the 3 D Structure of a Human Body Shape” written by Jackson, Jumper and Ercoline in 1984, they estimated that he areas of direct contact between the cloth and the back of the body were covering a total surface of ≈ 2800 cm2 at the time of the image formation, while on the front side, they were only covering a total surface of ≈ 1100 cm2” This could be a good start to discuss wether “might John P.Jackson

have been right in thinking the frontal and dorsal images of the Man on the Turin Shroud are subtly different” 2 What does Colin see that is 3 D in this? ….

2014-07-2910:33 am

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I’ve got 4170 for “medallion of lirey”, i think we are mistaking a medallion for a badge..

2013-02-254:54 am

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It was a joke but thank you for this precision, I didn’t know what a “méreau” was..

2013-02-264:29 am

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Or perhaps he’s stopped commenting because there is nothing to comment any longer, whatever Colin’s behaviour..

2013-02-264:16 am

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And beyond : Mario Latendresse has created the second photograph of his anaglyph according to arbitrary parameters. “depth map” on the shroud is isotropic, no perspective, and it’s “the fuzzier the further” and not necessarily “the brighter the closer” as used in his second photograph..

2014-05-021:49 pm

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Basically i meant you don’t know how the 3d is encoded on the shroud, you are assuming “facts”. If you use the vp8, you can see “3d”, it does’t mean you.ve deciphered the way cloth body distance is encoded. You write : a “depth map” has nothing to do with isotropy Once again, you create an artificial depth map to generate your anaglyph.

To do so you use an horizontal shift (stereoscopic vision required by the anaglyph) but contrary to the example of this post (the two mona lisa) you don’t know under which perspective you should look at the shroud (left right, oblique, upside down). You write : the parameter needed is not essential, nor unique Well, to create a subjective 3d vision.

To put science in a “depth map” one has to have a scientific model. I’m right, not asking, not dogmatic..

2014-05-0312:51 am

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Rebecca has a good point questionning face matching between the shroud “photograph like” and frescoes/icons “cartoon like” using facial recognition algorithms which are known to fail at cross matching between cartoons based on facial attributes and photographs. Why do such methods fail ? because it is not how our brain works..

2014-08-2012:33 pm

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But the presence of that blood, now that science can detect and do so much with it, may have been the reason the Vatican effectively sabotaged the C14 test and has subsequently denied all further scientific investigation. He should be more specific when he writes “C14 test was sabotaged”..

2013-08-103:57 am

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Ok, I didn’t get he thought of a “divine blood”. That’s far fetched..

2013-08-122:59 pm

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Was Gonella a scientist ? People responsible for the dating are the one who signed the paper..

2013-08-157:45 am

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Colin has the vehemence and righteousness of a recent convert. Maybe he should re think his scorch hypothesis under the light of the listed properties. “I personally would rather be seen as “Right but Repulsive” than “Wrong but Romantic”.” What about “Wrong and Repulsive”?.

2015-07-171:33 am

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It seems skeptical inquirer is seriously running out of arguments..

2013-03-018:58 am

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Restorations may be controversial, at least here, we can reach a consensus to say it is not brilliant..

2012-08-242:35 pm

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Dan, you wrote in your Shroud of Turin faq: “The similarities between the Pantocrator icon and the image on the Shroud of Turin are startling. It is too significant to be coincidental.” It’s an opinion, but i agree..

2014-09-0411:32 am

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Ok, from a history of art perspective it is ludicrous, but is there any perspective from which it is not ? forensic pathology ? blood stains ? textile ? image ? pollens ? minerals ? ….

2013-02-258:24 am